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Check the history on wikipedia about "Meltwater News"

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It's come to my attention that a lot of disgruntled ex-Meltwaterites have vented their frustrations on wikipedia - check the history, it's quite interesting! One old version of the entry has a summary of what various people have written over the past year:


It [Meltwater News] has been accused of shady business practices in a number of cases, both in salary and benefit disputes with employees, and billing and service problems with clients. It likely has violated US Tax laws, underreporting or failing to report large profits as liable to corporate taxation.

(5 October 2007)


This company is a "Chop Shop" and their international trainee position is that of a cold callingsweatshop.

(9 October 2007)


PLEASE BEWARE: THERE'S A LOT OF RUMOURS AROUND OF THIS COMPANY BEING PHONY, LEAVING CUSTOMERS BEHIND, NOT DELIVERING, BEEING HIT BY LAWSUITS AROUND THE WORLD!

(20 October 2007)


Hiring Process

Meltwater brings their interviewees through a rigorous interviewing process. This process is to make you feel as though you have really accomplished something and are valuable when you are hired. The job is actually a high pressure telephone sales position in which the entire company is made up of phone salesmen. If you are considering taking this glorified telemarketing job, please be prepared for what they are really offering you.

(28 November 2007)


They use manipulative hiring practices that result in high turnover. The job consists of cold calling and cold calling.

When signing with this company, please inquire in detail about the pay structure, daily job responsibilities and "limitation of leads".

Also, the name is Meltwater News, because when cold calling, the operator will think you are a news reporter (this type of manipulation is a microcosm of the job; terribly misleading).

(26 Feb 2008)




Working for Meltwater doesn't sound quite as nice as their recruiting material, does it?

Send your stories about Meltwater News!

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This is an official call for stories - running the whole gamut from misleading hiring to shaky contractual dealings to sexual harassment and poor product performance - about Meltwater News.

Lots of people have worked for and quit this crazy cult-like company (over 500 weren't so fortunate, and are still on the MW payrolls). Other people have bought their product but been pressured by the sales team with pushy, annoying tactics. Still others have been made into cheery, uncritical drones who talk about their employer as if they worked for Jesus himself and weird out their friends and family.

But these are just one set of opinions. If you have a story about Meltwater News - as an employee or as a customer - please send it to antimeltwater@live.com, or post it as a comment. We'd like to gather more information and warn people who are applying for jobs at Meltwater to stay away. The place is seriously creepy and there needs to be a counterbalance to all of their rosy-sounding material online.

Now, again for google, here are some links to make this site rise in the stats:

Meltwater News
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And...

Meltwater News

(Hey, did you know that if you say that into a mirror ten times at night, Jørn actually comes after you with a bell? Try it some time.)

Happy prospecting!

Big irony in a supposed "copyright infringement" against Meltwater

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Apparently, an online complaint has been filed anonymously against this blog on the grounds of copyright infringement. While the exact details are unclear (no explanation provided), it seems that a Meltwater representative has claimed to Blogger that the first post blog infringes on its copyright. This is, by the way, conveniently the post with the most responses of people who worked for Meltwater News and had not-so-nice things to say about it. Meltwater or someone close to Meltwater is trying to get the material censured on the grounds that it is illegally posted.

To be clear: there is no reason why this post would infringe on any copyright. It includes an e-mail by Jorn, leaked to the site, but this is not copyrighted material - unless Jorn can show me the copyright he holds on the e-mails he writes to employees.

More fundamentally, it is highly ironic that Meltwater News would file a complaint regarding copyrights. After all, where do they get their online sources from, again? Does Meltwater News actually have the right to distribute the articles that are the core of their product? Isn't this a legal gray area where they could easily be sued for copyright issues?

Should a company living in a glass house really be throwing stones?

In any case, this blog has three days to take down the material or have it removed. It goes without saying that a new post - which includes responses to that post by ex-employees - will be going up shortly.

Some great stories by ex-Meltwater employees

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This is a compilation of stories - positive and negative, mostly negative - about working at Meltwater. Because the original post where these were written as comments is being forcibly taken down (supposedly because of copyright infringement) the stories are being included in a new post. Thanks to everyone who sent these and be sure that only those are included which are already public as comments. If you would like your story to be removed, send an e-mail to antimeltwater@live.com and it will be taken down.

Enjoy!

"Worst company ever
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lilpea
by far the worst company EVER! on top of the things that were said in earlier post, they make promises in the office such as "if you do everything right...prospect, get trials out, stay on the phone you will do well, and we will do everything to help you" Not the case at all. If you are not a managers favorite, you will get screwed. They do not recognize hard work, and only reward those who get meltwater brainwashed.

furthermore, they referred to people who had quit, or gotten fired as "he/she gone", as if they werent a real individual. they also thought it was wrong when someone left the company, and didn't want to announce it to the entire office.

they also have people illegally working in the united states apparently...

Basically never work for this company. Its awful.


"Very cult like"

emma
I worked for Meltwater a year ago, from June 07-August 07. It was my first job out of college, and I moved to Chicago to work for them. I was excited by the recruitment process, and although I had many lingering questions, and concerns- I still went. The website is the least helpful site I've ever encountered to say the least. As a sales job it was awful. I didn't know going into it that I was going to be a full time cold-call saleswoman- but I was. We worked 10 hour days and were expected to work after hours at home researching leads. We were watched by our managers like hawks, and spoken to like children. Although it is possible to make some decent money- you cant depend on it, and the pay structure is nothing like they would lead you to believe.
The whole company culture is VERY cult like. I felt like the only one not drinking the koolaid if you know what I mean. The semi annual trips are mandatory and dont expect to get out of going. You are sharing rooms with your coworkers and staying in seedy motels.
Our LA trip was the WORST time of my life. They force closeness on employees that is inappropriate- we weren't in a sorority, and I didnt feel the need to be BFF with everyone in my office.
Inappropriate touching also happens, they chalk it up to being Swedish/Norwegians but I wasn't buying it.
One event that was particularly interesting was a Green Card issue. Our two managers were Swedes, and they were in the US on work visas. They had told the US Gov that they were interns for MWater, and that another employee in our office was their boss. They essentially forced this employee to lie to the US about what these two men did for our company in order to secure a longer visa stay. I was floored that such things occurred.
I put in as much time as I could, selling a mediocre product. Frankly Google news feed is just as effective and its FREE. Everyone knows about it which just makes the Mwater product harder and harder to market.
STAY AWAY FROM THESE JERKS!



"Worst time of my life"
elaine
I worked for MWN last year for abt 2mths... OMG.. it was really the worst time of my life. Again, like the previous comments, nothing was clear. We didnt even get a contract before we left for our training. Aft 1 month, we realised we were working for a company without a valid employment contract in a foreign country.

Yes, the culture is really cult like. U have to bond w them, spend every second and time w each other, otherwise, u r an outcast. Geezz and they promote people who have no experience managing people, who have no clue becuz they r too young and sometimes, these people are even not v bright...

Anyways, it was an experience and I dare say, I will nv ever ever work for such a company ever again. And I hope more people will speak up so that other young people will not be attracted by the recuitment process only to be a telemarketer in a shitty company.

"Unprofessional and disgusting"
jott
When I started at M|News there were 20 people in my office.... now they're down to 7. Coincidence? I think not.

I won't regurgitate what my ex-colleagues truthfully and horifically stated, but I will add some new comments and FUN FACTS to the mix...

- BIG BROTHER (let's call him JORN, for kicks) IS WATCHING YOU! Got this little insider piece of info: Every month the Managing Director gets a phone bill which records EVERY SINGLE CALL EVERY PHONE MAKES. This includes time of call, business of the phone number called & length of call. This info allows them to know EXACTLY what you're doing/calling, EXACTLY when you're doing it. And I thought them looking over your shoulder at your computer screen was creepy.

-They put you in morally and ethically compromising situations. Calling a man's cell phone when his wife just had a baby to see if he'll "sign on the line that is dotted"?? I DON'T THINK SO. Promising a large client that you back up the Meltwater tool 100%, even though you know- BECAUSE IT'S A PIECE OF SHIT!- that it'll probably miss important articles? I'm sorry, but in my book that's called LIEING. Or how about registering a sale when the client NEVER signed the contract?? And you find out later that your contact was never authorized to sign off in the first place?! According to Meltwater a verbal agreement from an unqualified contact STILL MEANS it's a done deal and that you must inform the appropriate contact that, even though they never signed anything, they owe you 10K. INSANE!

- The office INCEST is ridiculous! Everyone hooks up with everyone and it's unprofessional and disgusting.. This behavior is encouraged by constant communication w/other offices through MSN and the company semi-annual trips to "fun and exciting locations", which might as well serve as glorified orgies... They expect you to stay out all night: drinking and partying and hooking up! THE CEO even through a party in his hotel suite!! WTF?!

-And if you wanted to report this incestuous or unethical or, hell, any of the disturbing behavior that unfolds in a meltwater office on any given day, guess what? There is no HR department to report to!! No HR... No 401K... Is this even a real company?!! I'm surprised they actually offered medical benefits.

- They made me announce to the entire office, with no advance warning, that I had quit. I quit on a Tuesday morning.. My managing director told me to come in at the end of the day to say goodbye, hand in my computer & keys, etc... WELL- when I got there, everyone just thought I had been out sick!! MY MANAGING DIRECTOR NEVER TOLD THEM I HAD QUIT.. she made me tell them.. UHH.. AWKWARD?? again, the unprofessionalism is unbelievable....

- If you quit, expect them to badmouth you. When I quit my manager told the other members on my team that I "couldn't take direction" and that I "just didn't fit the culture" (thank God for that!). Again, unprofessional.

- They violate your privacy. When an ex-colleague of mine quit she left her MSN name and password stored in the computer.. She later saw that someone from Meltwater had logged into her account. um... gonna go out on a limb and say that's illegal.

Needless to say, I spent a miserable 4 months at this terrible terrible company.. I wouldn't wish those 4 months on my worst enemy. So, what I'm trying to say... STAY AWAY!!

"High-pressured phone-sales cult"
Dale
wow - thank god there are actually some normal people who got out like I did!! I worked in the Manchester office back in 2005. It is a cult - I felt like I was the only one who felt really embarassed one day when we were shown a video in the Oslo office of a guy surfing a huge wave (accompanied by over the top rock music) and told that we had to go out and achieve our goals (cue much wooping and high-fives).

At first things went quite well and the management were nice with us. However, every month the team leader or office leader would take you to one side for a 'chat', to which he ahd brought a list of the phone calls you had made that month and potential deals that could come in.

In my second month I reached my 10000 target (only the second person to do it from my office). Wow - I got a phonecall from Jorn - he wanted to congratulate me personally on doing so well. (Cue more wooping and cheering via msn from brain-washed scandinavians) However, the following month I took 2 weeks holiday and was only able to bring in 3500. I got another phone call from Jorn, as did my office manager Clive Tomkinson, asking why I wasn't performing that month. Forget the fact I had the highest sales of any of the new starters in my office!!

Anyway, the best part was after coming back from a day off sick, I went for a return to work meeting in a nearby cafe with Clive Tomiknson (office manager) and Charles Haworth (team leader. Clive was great and chirpy all day with me leading up to the meeting. However when we sat down for the 'meeting' Clive decided to take offence to the fact I had been off sick for a day and proceeded to shout in my face, accusing me of taking the p**s out of him'. Nice....!

I really could not advise anybody more against taking a job with this company. Yes, on paper they seem like they're very successful amd expanding massively. However, this is done by taking bright energetic young graduates and reducing them to soulless zombies by running them down with high-pressured telephone sales. I actually felt like the soul had been drained from my body when I left this horrible place.

DO NOT bother applying for this company. It is a high-pressured phone-sales cult and nothing more. They want you to live to work and not work to live (lots of offices are kitted out with kitchens and even beds so that people stay late and sleep over there). Very strange!!

"M News majorly screwed me up"
Kopi
omg omg omg I was so happy to find this blog! I think M News majorly screwed me up. I gave up a job which sucked, because of better pay and the works, to work for M. News. Suddenly, I realized that the previous job didn't suck so much after all!

The cult issues really disgusted me. It was as if i wasn't allowed to have a mind of my own anymore, and that I was committing some sort of huge sin if I didn't smile, laugh and "network" all the time. My colleagues were quite rich, and were eating at these expensive places all the time during lunch. I couldn't afford it, but had to "be part of the team".

And it's true, they don't recognize hard work, and only give credit to those who have been brainwashed. I remember thinking, "these are all smart people, how did they get so stupid???". And I really, really hated their "proven sales methodology", as they call it - it involves lying, flirting, and being extremely persistent to the point of being disrespectful to the client or potential client. I couldn't bear the thought of doing that to someone else, e.g., disturbing them on their private mobile during dinner with their wife, or something like that.

And it's also true that they treat people like complete idiots/children. My manager hounded me every five minutes and eavesdropped every conversation I had on the phone. She'd whisper to me what to say to the client on the other side of the line, and one time, the client said, "I know it's not your fault that you're so persistent. I can hear your boss whispering to you. Tell her that she's being very cheap and unprofessional."

Thank god I got out of there fast, but then I've been in a string of bad companies ever since...now I've developed a fear of jobs because of all the shit they throw at you. Argh.


"I probably will kick myself for leaving"

Poitiers
I worked for Meltwater news for 1 year before I moved to Europe to open a business in Italy with my Uncle. I may be biased but I read the above comments and laughed. First of all, I don't think that Meltwater is for everyone but a mediocre product? Is that why all the fortune 500 companies are clients & the company is one of the fastest rising internet companies in the world? You should really get your facts straight. "Stay away from these jerks". WOW someone is bitter, like I said, it's not for everyone but there and so many people doing so well in the company and make a lot of money.

Although I must admit, the recruitment process was vague (in the day to day job description and explanation) I succeeded and made great money during my time there. I think Emma (above) must have had a low self esteem...inappropriate touching? LOL The semi-annual trips she talks about...Well, after New Years for 5 dayds, they flew all of us to Monaco and we stayed in the most gorgeous hotel I have ever been to, everything paid and we basically partied the entire time and had so much fun. Everyone in the company is young and outgoing...you obviously are not going to have a good time if you're a negative person and closed minded.

Anyway, sales is not always fun...OBVIOUSLY but I was able to see a lot of my friends move up in the company to completely new roles that have nothing to do with Sales. Sales isn't always sexy but if you're good at it, you WILL make money and put your time in and you will be awarded.

I probably will kick myself for leaving, especially since I hear when they go public, the employees will make a great profit. Anyone remember a company called google going public???

Read your facts and then decide for yourself! Know going in that you have to put your time in and do cold calling to sell but if you're good, you are rewarded.

"It's all relative"
Janelle
I worked for Meltwater for 3 months before I quit.
I wished I could have done better b/c the company itself seems promising but to be honest, I'm just not the most motivated individual, haha. I have to say my MD (Managing Director) was so great. They were all such nice people but it just wasn't for me. I didn't really know too much going into it but no one really does too much. That's what sales is all about though, they make it sound amazing and then you can decide for yourself if you can handle it or not. I don't think it was "Cult" like, that's just strange. The people that work there were fun and loved to party, haha.

In the beginning, you have to work hard and long hours to hit your monthly quota but most people get into a routine and it becomes more natural to them hence easier. Sales just isn't so fun for me but those who could sell did very well.

There were a some guys in our office who did well and made a lot of money. If you're into sales and are good at it, Meltwater is definitely the way to go. If you're scared of cold calling don't do it.


It's all relative, I hear the company has grown/opened so many more offices and expanding like crazy in the US so they gotta be doing something right.

"The fun and not so fun"
anti
meltwater news. let me tell you that yes, it's not for everyone - most jobs aren't for everyone, but this one is not for a LOT of people.

i worked there for over a year and saw many different aspects of the company. i saw it grow from just a few offices in the US to so many that it couldn't handle managing them all.

one of the reasons i took the job over another (really good) offer was the company culture - or what was so effectively sold to me as the company culture during my recruitment session.

meltwater news takes pride in its company culture. they want each of their offices to run like a mini meltwater news world - they want each office to be just like the first in norway. to do so, they instill company values. each employee is a meltwater ambassador and should share the following core values.

the core values are MORO, ENERE, RESPEKT (apologies if i have mispelled these norwegian words).

1) MORO (translates to fun or as one upper manager explained "joy" in english)

i would say that aspects of meltwater are fun. joy i am not convinced of.

examples of the fun and not so fun:

- working with young (straight from college for the most part -poor kids), smart, ambitious, and of course good looking people. that sounds like a great environment and it is to some extent. you feel camaraderie, you feel kinship, you make friends, you throw nerf footballs around, etc.

however, a comment on the good looking people part...one rumor in the US went that one of the upper managers only hired women based on their appearances. actually, i witnessed many comments made about potential female employees during the recruitment - they were downright rude and disrespectful about women's looks and potential to succeed in the company. if the woman was attractive, this boosted her chance of getting hired.

- parties! everyone loves parties... but parties are mandatory at meltwater (this is one of many unspoken rules at meltwater news).

yes, they fly you to some lavish, over the top, expensive, international location once every year in january and then you sit in the hotel conference room for 2 days doing ridiculous sales workshops. then after sometimes more than 8 hours of workshops and more hours of other mandatory events, they expect you to party like a rockstar all night long, sometimes in the CEOs suite. scandalous rumors of the CEO hooking up with employees are common. professionalism is thrown out the window.

despite the company's "NO DIPPING" policy (no dipping in the company ink), employees hook up quite frequently. hard to resist when they liquor you up and then put you all in a club with euro trance blasting.

other parties. a summer party each year. slutty dress, drunken speeches, drunken business conversations (oh, yes, they do it all the time), etc. blah blah you've read above.

i have witnessed inappropriate touching and inappropriate comments at many of these parties. it's true, meltwater news does not have an HR department, so it's difficult to report harassment because it's the upper managers who are normally doing the harassing. and most people do ignore it because the upper managers are Scandinavian and thus there must be a cultural misunderstanding. however, these Scandinavians know american culture well and know better. other people ignore it because with meltwater news, it's hard to draw a clear line between what is considered friendly and what is considered professional. you can't just tell your boss who is also your friend that you don't like when they make comments about seeing you naked! (yes, this happened). girls, it's tough in the meltwater world.

friday parties. go out with your coworkers and "bond" - more. that's fun. but it starts to get old when your lifelong friends tell you they never see you anymore and they think you are in a cult. or when you feel forced to go which many employees do.

- sales! yeah actually sales can be really fun! the accomplishment feels great when you get that deal. you can also make good money with an uncapped salary based on commission. but it's not all that it's cracked up to be in the meltwater news world.

the stories above are true - the pissed off client because the manager whispering in the employee's ear, calling the cell phones of potential decision makers at ghastly hours...many shady sales techniques are encouraged and celebrated. think "boiler room" and you will get what i mean.

oh and if you don't sell, meltwater news does not have another department most people can switch over to. it's sales, or client relations - glorified department name also known as customer service or more sales, less earning potential) or a tech job. they have a few other positions, but these jobs require more specific training/degrees.

- promotions (woohoo!) - i was successful in sales and i made a decent amount of money. however, then they promote you. great job! but wait a second, now as a sales manager, you have the same target/quota, have to keep your sales pipe piping hot, and then have 2 to 3 or sometimes 4 new employees (newbies) to manage. what?!?

it's all part of meltwater news' scheme to keep your ego pumped and your wallet thin. you see, as a sales manager you have been promoted because you are hitting targets and they see management potential in you. that means you are making 20% commission on everything you sell. but before you can rack up a decent amount of this money in the bank, they promote you. this lessens your chances of selling in the same capacity and increases your work load/responsibility. if your newbies do not hit target, you are seen as a failure and then the management starts to have those heart to heart talks with you about your lack of drive, your lack of stamina and your lack of management potential. then when you finally get the hang of working 12 hour days and micro managing those newbies and hit your target dead on with sweat beating on your forehead, they promote you again!

each promotion basically limits your salary potential in a way that's deceiving. it's still uncapped (unless you are a managing director of your own office), but the amount of time, effort, and work that they expect of you decreases your chance of success and decreases your salary.

other not so fun things you are required to do at meltwater news:

- participate in recruitment interview sessions that last for sometimes 14 hours each day. many times these recruitments are on the weekend. yes, you still have to go if they want you to. no, your quota is not lessened is you have to go to a recruitment session. why would they compensate you in some way for asking for so much of your free time?

- prospect for your own leads. when? usually at home when you have "free time." don't waste your precious phone calling hours at work!

- manage your accounts and clients that you sold to. yep, it's still your job to take care of these clients at least for a few months. so on top of selling, managing newbies, prospecting and recruiting, you manage client accounts. more work at home with no compensation.

- eat lots of candy and drink lots of redbull. managers use this technique to pump up the office when they need energy to close deals. i am sorry but this is just a pathetic way to try to get your office to "buzz."

so there you have it. the fun and not so fun.

i will have to leave the other values (ENERE and RESPEKT) for another time.

until then, happy reading.

A Meltwater party scene

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... here with Jorn, the CEO.

Hey, this looks fun, but sadly, attendance at this company event is absolutely mandatory.

The alcohol does help to drown your sorrows about being exploited as a phone slave to make this man rich, though.

Don't Work for Meltwater News!!

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This is a reprise of an earlier post, explaining what this website is all about. In two lines, this blog hopes to:

1) offer a place for ex-employees of Meltwaters News to trade stories and vent about their experiences at the company, and

2) warn off potential applicants who come across the super-upbeat advertising of the company at job fairs, on job websites, etc.


Here's the background:
There are a lot of job postings out there for a little-known company called Meltwater News. Meltwater News is a Norwegian media monitoring company whose product searches news sources for hits relevant for business customers. It is a little bit like LexisNexis or other online media search engines, yet has quite a few non-English sources and several extra features (statistics, newsfeeds, etc.). It isn't a bad product (even if the system's reliability can be touchy).

Nonetheless, as an employer, Meltwater is catastrophic. They frequently recruit college graduates for their "International Management Trainee" program, which is a phone sales job - regardless of what they say to the contrary. It does not involve a great deal of consulting or PR-type work, and the salary is generally much lower than what they promise job applicants. The hours tend to be long, and the management (depending on the office) has been known to use some very questionable peer pressure and surveillance tactics to keep employees in line.

The corporate culture of the company would be pretty laughable, were it not taken so seriously by managers and employees. All new contracts are greeted with the ringing of a bell, after which employees hug each other. Some offices have instituted morning "pep talks" to motivate employees to sell lots during the day. There are two annual company retreats (usually at an "undisclosed location" up until shortly before departure) where all offices meet to listen to speeches, take part in workshops, and "get pumped" for the coming months. (There are quite a few videos from the kick-offs on YouTube - search under the company's old name, "Magenta News"). Many describe these events and the daily working climate at Meltwater as "cult-like". Things are especially intense toward "Closing week" (the end of every month) when quotas have to be reached and a big deal is made out of it (as if the high pressure to achieve sales quotas were somehow a big party).

There is very little information about the company online which does not come from Meltwater, itself, and for that reason this blog aims simply to let people get out their opinion. Most of the posting is negative, but positive opinions (or, better yet, differentiated ones) are welcome as well. More than anything, those close to Meltwater should have the chance to express personal opinions and experiences and inform potential employees about what the company is about. Those opinions which are posted will generally tell a very different story from what Meltwater claims on its website and job posts.

Anonymity:
This site does not disclose information about the authors, and allows anonymous posting. Some previous and current employees have criticized the blog for this (see some previous comments). There are two main reasons for anonymous posting:

1) to allow current Meltwaterites and recent ex-employees to post without fear of negative social consequences

2) because Meltwater - as silly as this might sound - really does censure criticism by its employees and others, sometimes through harsh measures. As an example, a Meltwater representative successfully lobbied to get a post with an e-mail by CEO Jorn taken down from this site - without official justification. One ex-employee was fired and subjected to nasty treatment by superiors and colleagues because of critical comments about the company. There are several ex-employees who have compared the company's internal and external oversight of the company image to thought police.

There is no legal justification for these tactics - and in fact there is good reason to believe that Meltwater News is itself vulnerable to prosecution over some of its business tactics, especially in issues of labor law. Furthermore, criticism isn't illegal - even if it goes against some silly "Meltwater culture" that Meltwater managers spend all their time building up.

It is entirely thinkable that Meltwater henchmen might harass authors and leave mean messages on their answering machines.

With that in mind, all are welcome to post on this site - anonymously if they wish. Also, comments can be sent to antimeltwater@live.com, and can be posted on the site. Further authors who wish to post regularly are also welcome (blogger allows multiple users on one blog).

Don't let these clowns get you down.

Nine Theses against Meltwater News

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This is a list of complaints against Meltwater News in true Luther-ian style - except that there are only nine of them (95 might be overkill).

These are all generalizations from experience and various anecdotes and - while not exhaustive - they begin to summarize the problems with this company and why there are so many ex-employees who are irritated and frustrated at Meltwater.

Clearly, everyone who is in any way involved with the company will have their own opinions - and input and criticism are more than welcome here.

Yet these would be good reading for a lot of potential job candidates at Meltwater (if you have an interview with Meltwater, consider this the other side of the story from what the company tells you), and could be a good piece of feedback to the company management and "jorn :)".

So, drumroll please....

1). The company purposefully seeks out entry-level jobseekers with its recruiting efforts, offers misleading information about the job, its content, pay, and growth prospects, and thereby wastes valuable time in the early career of many recent graduates.
Especially through the "International Management Trainee" program - which is the primary entry point to Meltwater - the company tries to seek out new blood with a great-sounding job opportunity. By focusing on graduates, they have a group which has little outside working experience and is more likely to think they have landed a great job, being less aware of what else is out there. In job posts, the exact responsibilities of a "Management Trainee" - which are confined primarily to cold-calling to sell Meltwater's product - are downplayed, while words like "amibition", "success", and "potential" are used (excessively) instead. Many job candidates have been lied to about the salary - which is highly performance-based - and there isn't much candor about the overtime or the pressure to attend social functions, either. In short: Meltwater recruiters knowingly mislead recent graduates and divert them from alternative (more serious) entry jobs into one which many would not have taken had they been better informed.

2). Meltwater has no Human Resources department, and thus shows a striking lack of professionalism in its dealings with job candidates and current employees.
Many people (at real companies) may dislike the HR department, but ultimately most companies have them and staff them with knowledgeable HR people who can screen job candidates, write working contracts, deal with pay, tax, and legal issues, and field complaints from employees. Meltwater does not have an HR department, which has led to the following situations:
-hiring decisions have, in some offices, been based explicitly on looks, national background, and other factors which have no place in a serious selection process (some ex-Meltwater employees involved in recruiting can confirm this)
-payment of salaries has, in some offices, been consistently late - because some managers may not always be on top of the office finances and turn in the pay info late
-some MW managers have denied or attempted to deny employees who quit from the remaining salary agreed to (read: legally mandated) in their work contracts
-complaints by employees have often been ignored or not taken seriously, because those hearing them - the team-leads and managers - are either the object of those complaints (and thus in a conflict of interest) or seem to subscribe to the company's culture of non-criticism (see point 6).

3). There is little respect for employees' free time or private pursuits.
As an employee at Meltwater, there seems to be no such thing as a 40-hour week. Days stretching from 9 a.m. to 7 or 8 p.m. (with a half-hour lunch break) are considered normal, and in the evening, employees are often expected to either: 1) "prospect" (i.e. look for further candidates in their free time), or 2) hang out in the office or attend other social functions with employees. Certain tasks - such as setting up agents or prospecting - should, according to some managers, be done strictly outside of "core" working hours (between 9 and 6) when the first responsibility should be to make calls. Vacation time is set at or near the legal minimum in each country MW operates in, and overtime is universally not paid. Good luck keeping up with friends, family, and hobbies alongside this life-consuming job!

4). The corporate culture is taken extremely seriously, to the point of ridiculousness.
As regular e-mails by CEO Jorn Lyseggen ("jorn :)") will show you, Meltwater is not just a company - it is something approaching a religion. The rhetoric of the company always focuses on Meltwater being different, special, extraordinary - often expressed in silly mixed metaphors involving fighting and predators. There are loads of company rituals which are considered "very special for us at Meltwater" - like the ringing of a bell and hugging when an employee gets a contract, or the yearly kick-off, or the fanfare surrounding Closing Week (once a month). Somehow, it's all about "developing your potential" and "being the best" - when in reality it is just a phone sales job.

5). There have been repeated cases of sexual harassment and inappropriate touching.
Maybe it's the lack of an HR department and appropriate sanctions on harassment. Or, maybe, it's the corporate culture which encourages everyone to be best friends and hug each other all the time. Whatever the reason, many female employees in a number of offices have been harassed by colleagues and managers, gotten unwarranted massages, or just generally had to be a little closer with their colleagues than is normal. Some managers say that this is a "Scandinavian" thing. In many cases, it has been blown off and continued unabated even after complaints.

6). Meltwater's product uses questionable sources, and is not always reliable.
The Meltwater product - a news search engine - is meant to help companies keep track of what is being written about them or topics important to them in the press. The clippings are pulled from online sources using a simple Boolean search and can be displayed in a newsfeed, graphs, etc. It's not entirely clear whether the use of the clippings from proprietory sources is legal, and the consensus within the company is not to bring up the copyright issue. (Feel free to disprove this, anyone currently at Meltwater). On top of this, the system has been known to break down - affecting both customers and employees. Some employees have had to demonstrate the product while it is down, and have been in the embarassing situation of explaining why the system isn't working.

7). The company's sales style is often overly pushy, unpleasant, and often unprofessional.
Because success is measured primarily in volume of sales - number of contracts x size - there is a high degree of pressure on employees, managers, and offices to close deals, leading to some ridiculous excesses. Many customers have noted how pushy Meltwater is, how often they are called, how they are get calls on their cell numbers at odd hours, or how Meltwater employees actually have personally begged them to sign a contract. Meltwater employees, meanwhile, often report being pressured by managers to keep calling back even when it is clear that a lead is hopeless, and always get one more extra trial. Pricing can be highly arbitrary and is based on whatever the employee can get the customer to pay. Contracts are signed for a defined period (e.g. 2 years) but can be automatically extended if the customer forgets to discontinue. Much more effort is put into selling the product than maintenance and service.

8). Certain managers monitor employees constantly, intrude on their privacy, and use highly personalized, psychological tactics to "lead".
Many people have compared Jorn to Big Brother and the work environment at Meltwater to various dictatorial systems. These kinds of comparisons - while sounding pretty overblown - are rooted in the persistent nosiness of some managers and insistence on knowing what employees are doing and saying to each other. Meltwater offices are universally large, open rooms with computers and phones, so privacy is limited from the start. Many employees chat over Messanger specifically to avoid being heard by their team leaders. Monitoring can extend outside of work, as well, as team leaders are encouraged by the office manger to report on what employees do and say privately. There is a striking tendency in some offices for word to travel "upward" to the manager fast. The weekly "wrap up" sessions - i.e. performance reviews with managers - are highly personalized and seem to focus as much on "attitude" and "management potential" as on actual performance, thus making the conversation about the employee's person rather than his/her work. It is no wonder that some ex-employees have the feeling that they had to be careful of what they said and who they said it to, lest their opinions and "attitude" become the subject of a serious talk with the boss.

9). Meltwater has shown itself to be allergic to healthy criticism.
No company is perfect. But Meltwater often presents itself as THE (great, high-performance, global, amazing) international media monitoring company, and it has been extremely reluctant to accept/respond to criticism. Listening to what some Meltwaterites say about it, it sounds like it will be the next Microsoft (at least) and anyone who disagrees is stupid or wrong. Employees who criticize the company openly are often made to feel like there is a problem with them as persons. Those who quit often have extremely unpleasant experiences afterward, and are ostracized or talked about negatively after their departure (as if they had been fired for poor performance). The responses of Meltwater to this blog - which have included weird attempts to get it taken down - are just another example. The company seems super scared that someone may say something bad about it - which is silly for any company, but especially one as flawed and criticizable as this one.


That's all of the "Nine Theses". Again, these are all based on individual experiences and stories, so they may be entirely different than what others have to say.

Any further suggestions or points of contention are more than welcome.

A view from the customer side

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This blog post - and the comments on it - give a pretty good range of views on customer's reactions to the Meltwater service (both very positive and very negative):


Most important point to customers: be sure to look very closely at the term of the contract and expiration, as well as whether approval is needed to extend it. Extending contracts without the customer's permission is shady, but has been known to happen at Meltwater.

A new ex-employee story

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Thank you very much to the former employee who sent this story:

"I have some very mixed emotions about Meltwater... I think it needs to be said that the recruiters are fantastic sales guys... The pitch they sold us was amazing. I thought that taking a job with them would allow me freedom to develop and explore a new market with a small team of people, while being taught how to sell well, and how to manage people... WRONG! It is a tele sales job where 90% of what you do is calling people who don't know who you are and convince them to try your product.

Meltwater is sold as a training program (meaning they can pay you less than they would if you were doing an official telesales position). I think that more companies should offer programs like this for starters because it is quite tough to get a job straight out of Uni, and after an extended period you should either be able to move up in the company or find a job elsewhere. Unfortunately Meltwater promotes according to sales numbers rather than managerial ability. This means that you have managers that have no idea how to create a team, or develop soft skills needed when working with people. As an employee you either sink or swim on your own (don't expect any help).

My sales manager was extremely competitive, insecure and vindictive.  On several occasions she transferred our leads over to her name. When confronted she would always come up with the excuse that we hadn't registered them properly in the system. She would also talk down to me during sales meetings in front of customers and openly berate me in front of my colleagues. I spoke to the general manager on several occasions about this, but nothing was done (I asked several times to change teams). He, himself, hold me I wasn't a team player and that he didn't want me working under him after only my first week. I decided to give it a go anyways (I should have quit on the spot!) and stayed for 6 months. When I didn't sell enough I was discluded from group activities and generally ignored (The top performers get all the attention and help, while the rest are left to try and figure things out on their own). It was like being in a bad after school special.

When I decided to quit I was told to leave immediately. I felt like a criminal. All contact with my manager was done through a colleague after that (no idea why he couldn't call me himself). I was really depressed and had lost a lot of my self-esteem during my time there. Being so openly disliked by my managers was a horrible experience, and I felt I couldn't do anything right. Now I have a fantastic job working as a project manager at a large firm with a proper HR department. I have a nice open communication with my direct manager and they have a career program in place to help you grow within the company. I am so much happier now. Having said that I did learn a lot while at Meltwater. My telephone skills are excellent and I am also better at dealing with difficult personalities now. I think Meltwater has some great potential if Jorn would invest more money into his personnel rather than just his software."

A new interview story

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Thank you to another recent interviewer who sent this story:

"I read your blog, and now I realize that I should be extremely grateful that I only made it to Meltwater's group-interview and did not get the Mangagement Trainee position. I applied to one of their European offices about a year ago, and naturally I got quite excited when I was called for a group interview. After all, their website and their job ads make it seem like getting a job for them is a golden opportunity with "unlimited possibilities."

I spent the two days before the interview preparing myself thoroughly - noting down questions to ask and trying to get a sense of the company and it's culture. I realized that I had a lot of questions - it seemed clear to me that although their website promoted the "success" of the company heavily, there wasn't much substantial information to be found.

I arrived at the group interview - of course it was held in the fanciest hotel in my town. Everyone from the local office was there, and the first thing that struck me was that these people were all young, slick, smiling and hugging. Basically a lot of polished surface. The "Interview" consisted mainly of an employee from one of their other offices talking about the company and how glorious it was. The employees from the local office went on to talk about how much they enjoyed working there, how everyone in the company "bonded", how the opportunities were unlimited etc. - basically regurgitating what their website says. And also, just like their website, the presentation was all surface and no real information about the trainee position.

At the point where we were allowed to ask questions I thus realized that hardly any of my questions had been answered. So I started asking - "How would you describe a typical workday?" "What excatly does the management trainee position entail"? etc. Everytime I asked a question, the guy holding the presentation would respond with "That's a good question" and then just give some vague answer that did not really help me. What should have made my warning signals go off though was when I asked "What are your strategies and routines in regard to marketing your product?" The answer, as I now realize based on reading your blog and the comments there, is of course "Cold-calling, cold-calling and more cold-calling." However, when I asked that specific question at the interview the guy just asked back "What do you think?" Here I was asking a serious question, and I got a snippy answer back so that I looked like an idiot in front of the other people in the room. Many of the employees grunted unhappily as I was asking these questions as well.

What I was able to realize during the interview was that these employees obviously had no private life. The employees would talk about how they worked 10-12 hour days, and then they went out together to drink or work out. Always together. Further, most of these people did not come across as very bright or intellectual to me. Most of them said that what they liked to do was "work, party and shop." I realized then that working in such an environment probably wouldn't suit me. After all, I have a family at home, and I quickly understood that working for Meltwater would mean no familly-life at all. Come to think of it, it might be a good thing that I asked a lot of questions and mentioned that I had a family at home. They obviously realized that I would not be the right employee for them. However, I am seriously glad that I took the time to prepare well for the interview so that I was able to see how everything about Meltwater is surface and gloss. When I read their ad I seriously believed that this was a good, honest company with great career opportunities. I think other college graduates should be warned before they become duped like I almost got."

Story from Singapore off wikipedia

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Thank you to the anonymous writer of a comment on the last post for directing our attention to this story - available in the wikipedia history of the article for "Meltwater News":

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meltwater_News&diff=271569513&oldid=271492334

"Hello Guys,

I interview for this company in Singapore two weeks ago. I did not get the job and called the lady who I was always in touch with to ask why.
Turns out a day after the group interview, she resign.
She tell me:
1. She only got promote because she want to quit before but to keep her, they promote her
2. Turnover rate is high, especially in Asia.Their pay roll is cheap
Singapore minimum wage for fresh grad is 1,800 SG dollars a month, they pay 1,200 and your commision.
3. She say i did not get job because i have experience, cannot speak english well. i say have experience? she say they usually target only those who have no idea what work is like so to get them to like thier job ad to do cold calls.
4. the higher male bosses, especially the western ones always try to sleep with the asian women.

she resign and said sorry for misleading me in interview. she said that most employees dont last more than 2-3 years unless they promote really fast or sleep around."

Meltwater goes socially responsible

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In addition to its glossy website and publicity about Meltwater Enterprise School of Technology (MEST, http://meltwater.org/) Meltwater now has a post on its blog trumping up the contributions of one of its new employees to impoverished children in developing countries in Asia: http://meltwaternewstalk.com/?p=177. What this has to do with Meltwater Ventures isn't just left open. Apparently, the link is a high five, because: "whether I was working with a team of Tibetans, growing up playing football in Texas, or acknowledging someone on the sales floor at Meltwater, a high five is the universal ROI and Meltwater is home to the world’s best."

To rephrase, while Meltwater Ventures itself has nothing to do with helping impoverished children in developing countries - and is a normal, profit-generating division in the growing Meltwater Empire - at least it hired someone with good intentions who has made a difference (!) for developing countries. Or, in failing that, someone who has taken lots of nice pictures of himself in the middle of locals during his world travels. To candidates and employees with a vague desire to do "something good" (combined with adventure and a good conscience) this must be great advertising. To Tibetan villagers being used as props for Meltwater advertising, it could come off as a tad patronizing.

This is another open forum post, so you are encouraged to reply. The question: what do you think about Meltwater's "socially responsible" marketing? Is Meltwater making a big enough "difference" through MEST (or its other activities) to justify its do-good rhetoric? Or is it just trying to improve its image with hollow feel-good stories, to divert well-meaning college graduates looking for adventure into crappy sales jobs?

New story: "Steer clear from Meltwater"

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"I worked at Meltwater News for some months to try to cash in as much money as possible when the commissions were good (you get 50% commissions the first months of sales, which makes room for a proper hourly wage), but it took me just a couple of hours in the office to figure out that the job offered by Meltwater News is GREATLY poorer than that you would expect from bigger companies like KPMG, Pricewaterhousecoopers, Google and so on.

I worked where it all started - in Norway. Norway is usually a great place to work - with focus on "trivsel på jobben"/job quality in most companies. It's sad to say, because in terms of size Meltwater is of the biggest IT-firms in Norway, and such entrepreneurship is needed, but Meltwater is a very untypical, top-down (american style) norwegian telemarketing firm. Yes, they produce an IT-product, which also happens to be fully accessible via a web browser, BUT, this is not the part of the company you as "trainee" work for. Everything concerning product development, handling the company etc. == real management is done by the owners (particularly Jørn Lyseggen). What YOU will be doing is telemarketing - starting with A in the telephone catalog (which they call prospecting/prospektere == find numbers for companies to call), and call your way to Z. Then repeat again/for another sector/call the same ones over and over again and so on. Your "trainee" training will involve drilling on cold calling/telemarketing rules, tips and tricks, and the "sales managers" also serve as telemarketers, but additionally "micro manage" 2-4 telemarketers. The MD's MICROMANAGE the sales managers AND the sales consultants, and also execute/inform about whatever Jørn wants. The reason why they can guide you is because "they have worked here for such a long time and have so much experience" -quote Anne Roland, the MD of the office at that time. I must have heard this at least 20 times during my short career - it's just like beginning leaders in the military. For people that have read some job ads before; solid sales experience starts with 10 years on your back, not 2.5 after coming fresh out of business college.

I could be going on talking about Meltwater for ages, but in order to be as simple and informative/useful as possible I have made a list of "trivia" about Meltwater News:

1) SELLING AND MELTWATER NEWS. I had a STRONG passion for sales before I joined Meltwater. And I still have it. The criticism of Meltwater by many people on this blog is NOT against sales in general. Selling can be very giving, and a highly important skill to master in business life. In order to survive as a manager, entrepreneur, you have to knock on doors, face bad ass rejection, overcome it, and sell again. Ever read "The Game" by Neil Strauss? Selling is like "the approach" in "The Game" - no approach, no conncetion. I have no beef with Meltwater News because they forced me to sell and do "pushy" telephone calls. It's part of the game. But to tell you the truth, if you are going to work for Meltwater, be prepared for funny scenes on the phone. Managers will actually give you hard, "experienced" advice about how to handle a conversation without even knowing the context of it, while you are talking. "No. I don't want your product go away"-Prospect. You: "Okay, can you see yourself using the product". "No. As I said. No. Go away"-Prospect. You: "I have set up a test in the system, are you in front of a computer so I can show you". And so on. This is not real sales.... This is *drums* - telemarketing. Cold calling is, as I mentioned, an important skill, but to be honest, you might as well start up as a telemarketer, that way you also get some good entrepreneur skills as well. Meeting is great to be better at you say? You will only attend sales meetings in Meltwater for very few hours during a normal week. AND, you only are allowed to go to a meeting if the prospect practically has signed the contract (or close to doing it). Reason being? This is telemarketing - you could have been calling 150 telephone numbers in the time you went to the meeting. You do not depend on relations and real selling and business thinking at a call center. Meltwater News telemarketing is a volume approach: Approach 100-300 telephone numbers a day. Get 3-5 trials == people looking at the product, and you get a deal a week on average. Take a look at this youtube video about telemarketing (Amway): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCYWAKJ256w&feature=PlayList&p=F8A4F924971DC2A1&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3. THIS IS MELTWATER AND YOUR FUTURE JOB IN A NUTSHELL: You PRESENT the product. You do it A LOT. You work 60 hours a week earning 90kr/time == McDonald's wage. And voila: You just made the owner Jørn Lyseggen a fortune, with him not paying a CENT of overtime to you, and you giving him 2 dollars for every 30 cents you get. TELEMARKETING.

2) THEIR TRAINEESHIP. To those of you reading this and applying for traineeships: The Meltwater News International Trainee Program IS NOT A TRAINEE POSITION. YOU ARE NOT APPLYING FOR A TRAINEE POSITION - THE ONE YOU KNOW WHERE YOU GET TO SEE ALL SIDES OF A COMPANY, WORK AT DIFFERENT OPERATIONAL DIVISIONS AND SO FORTH, HAVE VERY VARIED TASKS, VARIED TRAINING, GET TO KNOW PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS PRIMARILY A TELEMARKETING JOB, AND EVEN AS A MANAGER YOU DO TELEMARKETING. THE BUSINESS MAN IS JØRN LYSEGGEN AND THE TRAINEES ARE THE TELEMARKETERS. YOUR NORMAL WORKDAY WILL INVOLVE CALLING 200-300 TELEPHONE NUMBERS PER DAY. THE TRAINING IS NOT VARIED: IT IS ALL ABOUT TELEMARKETING TIPS AND TRICKS.

I hope you read that before you applied/went to a meeting. They will NOT tell you about what you will be doing. They will attract you, and they don't give a f*** if you quit - this is easy telemarketing that you can learn in a day, and there are plenty of people fresh out of school that will take just about any job with the title "trainee".

3) A MINI-GUIDE FOR PEOPLE WANTING TO SUCCEED AT MELTWATER NEWS:
i) Learn the culture. Say and do what the managers do. Watch what you say in private. COPY the managers. Say and do EXACTLY as they tell you.
ii) Work 60+ hours a week. Prospect and call telephone numbers until your eyes hurt. Skip social life: Your life will be your "trainee" position at Meltwater. This sounds silly, but it's actually important in order to succeed.
iii) Don't you ever read the book of www.thefourhourworkweek.com or www.thepowerofless.com, or look at oppourtunities at KPMG, Google, Microsoft or Deutsche Bank. This will give you a depression: They pay better then Meltwater, PARTICULARY per hour you do work. They give you more space, flexibility and don't treat you like a child. You don't have to work on a Ikea Table with a tiny computer. You do get a real trainee. You do get varied training. Don't question your life style and look hard at what you get paid per hour you work, or what you potentially could be doing with your life: All in all, everyone outside the Meltwater are working-only-40-hours-don't-know-how-to-sell-so-they-quit-Meltwater idiots. Yes, that's right: This is the Melwater culture in a nutshell.

4) Meltater News is JUST like Big Brother, and more. They not only track what you say and do visually - they also know what numbers you have dialed, for how long, they have notes publicly available within the company of the phone calls (you are forced to write exact notes, and they WILL record your phone calls in order to keep tabs on it). Moreover, they will try to fish for information of what you say to colleagues. Everything you do i set numbers for, tracked and viewable for everyone. The use of transparent technology at Meltwater is no joke.

5) To business people wanting to buy Meltwater News' services, know this: the price they want, around 6K€ for two years, is just a number. In reality Meltwater News doesn't have any huge addition costs for a new user login. It's just like Google Alerts: it can be 1 user or 5615165151, it just doesnt matter. They will tell you it's a service, but it's a login; and, the person "consulting" you doesn't get paid for it. He gets paid to upsell you, make you buy more. Hench, he will use as little time as possible before he hangs up.

So the tip is: wait to the last Friday of the month, and tell them you will pay IMMEDIATELY IF THEY CAN CUT THE PRICE IN HALF - 50 % OFF. I CAN PERSONALLY 100% GUARANTEE YOU THAT YOU WILL GET THE NEW PRICE. Again, welcome to the Meltwater culture.

WHAT I LEARNED FROM MELTWATER: DO YOU HOMEWORK BEFORE APPLYING FOR A JOB. But, having that said, and if you have time, you can work for 2-3 months there when the commision is 50%, and also get valuable cold calling tips as a bonus. But I don't think most people will last there very long :)

In closing; if Meltwater News has the best trainee/job offer to bright students in today's modern working life, I think it's a very, very sad day for the working society.

Now. If you would excuse me, I am off to the next meeting TO SELL REAL ESTATE. I am making twice as much money now as supposed to at Meltwater, and I only work HALF as much. Not to forget I am five times as happy! :)

Shit, have to go: But want to ad: Read "The Fun and Not so Fun" about pay. He is dead on. Meltwater sure as hell isn't the place for good hourly wages and good pay.

Take care, and steer clear from Meltwater."

"A long, but balanced view for you. :)"

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"Hi there, I just found out about your blog and I must say that it did make a very interesting read! However, most of the posts on there seem to belong to the violently vitriolic or to the dangerously obsessive! I would therefore like to offer as balanced a perspective on the company as possible.

I worked for the company for just over a year in the UK (I do not know what the 'culture' etc. is like abroad although I would suspect it is pretty much identical!). Firstly, I would like to offer some defence for the company (because it will take less time). With regards to the allegations of sexual harassment and 'inappropriate touching'... I personally liked the (albeit somewhat staged) camaraderie one experienced when bringing in a deal - the hugs, chat about the deal etc... and I certainly would not condemn that - however having seen some of the youtube videos (search for chicago bell, username meltwaterchicago) I gather that the Yanks in particular have taken this to a whole new level! It was a lot calmer in the UK!!. As for the bi-annual parties; when one is working that hard for a company I think that a little recompense in this form is highly necessary and again would not condemn it, nor would I complain about the partying at these events. These are not uncommon in many companies and I personally had a good time at them (provided of course you have perfected the art of pretending to be awake in a lecture whilst really sleeping off a hangover!) however I do agree that far too much importance is attached to drinking until the small hours with your bosses to prove that you are a 'team player'. In regard to the sexual activity at these events, it is hardly surprising that a few hundred young people, liberally supplied with free drink will act in this way - what was unacceptable was how strongly it was condemned by the senior management! (I will return to this point below). Finally, I would like to add that I have made a number of very good friends all around the world that I am still in touch with and the people there are generally good fun to be around.

Right - now on the the negatives! - I am going to have to bullet point this or I'll be here all day!:

- Recruitment and Training:
The recruitment process IS highly misleading (despite claims to the contrary) and I concur wholeheartedly with other comments on this site that others should be warned about the true nature of the role before applying. The pay structure is NOT confusing, although it is unrealistic to claim that the OTE of £30k is do-able for the massive majority of people coming fresh to the world of work.

- Office culture/Big Brother:
The day to day office culture, I found (as mentioned above), to be very agreeable and genial. However this is only in respect to those who are on the same level (minion) as yourself. There was a very real division between them and the 'management' team who did snoop and pry an inordinate amount into your working practices. Particularly abominable was the way (as others have noted) that explicitly stated private conversations between oneself and a team leader would be told to the office manager within minutes, leading to one being taken outside for a discussion on why you were unhappy - any complaints about the management style, the product or the sales methodology was immediately dismissed out of hand as being 'your issue' and something that 'you have to fix'!

- Promotions/Management abilities:
This was very much a central plank of the issues that I had during my time at the company. All bar none of the managers and sub managers at Meltwater were promoted solely on their capacity to sell the product. I am not suggesting that they should promote people who cannot sell the service; however as a not uncommon trait of exceptional sales people is a degree of arrogance and self-centredness, promoting these people to manage others is an inherent failing. At the very heart of this problem though is the fact that Meltwater promises promotions or overseas moves to any who are 'successful'/become 'Meltwatered' and therefore are pressured by salespeople who have hit their target 3 months in a row to gain some advancement from this fact. Therefore there is an inordinant amount of shuffling of teams, movement between offices and therefore 'promotion' possibilities.

- 'Cult-like' atmosphere:
This is not something that I experienced day to day although when dictats did come down from Jorn on high or a message was to be promulgated throughout the company, this feeling did appear. The unashamedly self-expressed ambition to 'be the next microsoft' is a rather severe delusion! - Ambition in itself is no bad thing, but this desire to (and I do quote from Jorn's emails) "smash the opposition", "destroy our competition" and " take over" is surely the rather amusing and pitiful self-delsion of a small man with something of an inferiority complex and should be recognised as such.

-Treatment of clients and leads:
This was the area of the business, more than any other that truly made my blood boil when I worked there. I have always genuinely believed that the existing customer should be the priority. This is not how Meltwater thinks. The pressure to bring in new deals to the detriment of clients who have paid good money for the service led me into a number of confrontations with my office manager of the time when i steadfastly refused to stop working on my client's requests rather than put on a couple of new trials. As for the pushy nature of the sales, this is truly deplorable. I too have had a manager listen into a closing call, whispering suggestions of what to say or going on MSN to 'gee' me up midway through a call. Appalling (and very distracting!) behaviour. At the end of every closing day, either the office or the region is invariably off target so everyone is encouraged to scour their pipes for potential cheeky deals. As by this stage it is gone 7, often on a friday, this involves ringing clients on their mobiles (or even, i heard people boast, at home!). I personally received an extremely irate email after being pushed into such a call by my manager from a lady i had hitherto enjoyed an excellent relationship with. I felt like scum - it was horrible. The sad thing is though that these tactics can work and Meltwater continues to exploit these anti-ethical methods to fuel its growth.

Legal issues:
These typically arise because, as noted elsewhere, Meltwater does not have an HR department. All of the legal issues (in the UK at least) were dealt with by 'Zubes', who has a law degree but no official training. This shows. The contract I signed was shabby, even to my untrained eye and the ones we sent to clients were routinely torn apart by real lawyers who were equally appalled by their quality!
As for the allegations of sexual harassment, I cannot comment officially, but it comes as no surprise and rumour did frequently circulate that certain persons owed their positions to 'sleeping around' or promising to. The most recent post from the gentleman in Singapore truly appalled me with his references to the Western bosses trying to sleep with potential employees. What I can confirm though is that at one company party various senior employees (including the owner) were acting in a manner that would, I am sure, have appalled their wives and families!

Post-employment:
Essentially, Meltwater routinely issue an ILLEGAL form of notice. They state that 'you will leave at the end of this month, unless you hit your target'. In the UK at least (and I am sure that it is the same elsewhere) this kind of 'conditional notice' is in direct contradiction of employment law. This way, Meltwater tries to avoid paying out the (paltry) sum that you are entitled to. I gave Meltwater 2 and a half months to pay this money (which they had admitted they owed me) and they were clearly hanging on for the 3 month mark past which I could no longer go to an employment tribunal! - I did go the the tribunal in time and the alcrity with which my demands were met would have been comical if it were not so pathetic! I would advise all people reading this who have recently lost their jobs there to immediately challenge the legitimacy of how their notice was served (although I would like to think that Meltwater will have changed their practices by now!!)


Right, I think I've managed to cover everything in this! Phew! This has been very useful in getting things off my chest, thank you. I believe that it only remains for me to echo the sentiments expressed by many others and say that if you enjoy a high-pressured sales environment and a (very) close relationship with your colleagues the go for it. If, however you want to work for a highly professional and well structured company that will truly invest in you then stay well away. You will be wasting your time working there.

Best to all"

A Meltwater story from Japan

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"I worked at Meltwater in [an office in Japan] from Jan. to just a few days ago; I was fired because during the six months, I couldn't reach my target and they think I don't have potential to become a manager.
Since I like the members of Tokyo office, I didn't much care about cultic MW culture etc.; however, I really didn't like that I was doing pushy cold calling. I think what they do in terms of overall business structure is just fine but I just don't think how they organize is the right way.
The first 4 months, I worked extremely hard like a horse, didn't have my private life but that was okay because I really want to focus on my quota. The first of last month, I just burned out and started to get deeply depressed.
I was a fresh college graduate when I started working MW; and now I'm @job hunting again.
Because of this recession, it'll be hard to get a new job and I didn't want to quit and tried to make much effort to stay there as possible. I got 2 deals in my last month and I sold the most in my team. I even beat my manager in terms of numbers of quota for last 3 months in a row; it doesn't make sense that they just laid me off!

I want to warn Tokyo and Osaka candidates loudly but since Japanese branch is just set up and really tough to speak loud in my language (Japanese). I bet for some of them MW is just perfect place to work, but unfortunately, not for most of others."

Another post for your blog‏

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Thank you very much to a current employee for sending this description of Meltwater.

"Hi,

I do not even know where to start. I currently work for the company. There are quite a few good things to be said about the company. The annual kickoffs (picnic/party/workshops) are awesome and the fact that you get to stay in a luxurious resort for 5 whole days and party into the night, is something to be applauded for. However, having said that, barring those 5 days of the year, the rest of the 360 days are hell. Let me bullet point:

No HR !!

I have heard of managers, in the absence of HR, forwarding emails to "someone" to keep them safe. These emails will be the kind of emails you send your immediate manager or TL to complain about something that you are not happy with. The emails might carry super personal details, but they are forwarded to a colleague by the TLs neverthless, with the intention that the emails be kept safe in case the person the email came from, needs to be fired. I do not know about you guys but I do not think this is an ethical thing to do.

Absence of HR also causes Legal issues to be forwarded to this guy called Zubes, who has no practice at law, whatsoever. All he has, is a degree.

Sales is Pathetic !!

The way that sales is conducted within the company really is pathetic. I don't have anything new to add to this area as my thoughts are echoed by so many others here. I have seen so many new recruits being given a presentation about how the salary is structured. I feel sorry for them. If you are fresh out of college on possibly one ofy our first ever job interviews, you probably take whatever the company says, in your stride. I do not see what company would ever need to give its recruits a presentation on salary structure AFTER the contract has been signed.

High Turnover !!

Jorn and managers often, proudly state that 100 new recruits walk in the doors of Meltwater every month. They conveniently forget to mention that 90 old recruits also walk out every month. Otherwise, 100 new people every month, company has been running for 8 years and is still at 500 people (including Tech, most of whom have been here since the first office was opened). You do the math.

No Privacy !!

There is no respect for an employee's privacy with the managers regularly calling up on weekends and giving you work to do outside office hours. If you say no or show anything short of bubbling enthusiasm, you are not a team player and not interested in the company's benefits. I ask you, even if you love the company, if someone calls you at all kinds of hours and asks you to work, without even feeling sorry for it, wouldn't you rebel ?

This isn't just for the employees. I have seen my managers whining because a would be client cancelled a meeting without notice. I happened to ask, why would he not send you an email ? The manager said, I know,he is so rude. I mean ok his wife died. Too bad, but that doesn't mean you stop being professional.

I will leave it to you to figure out exactly what quality you need to get to the managerial level in this company.

Too much Hugging !!

I am sorry, but frankly this idea of hugging every Tom, Dick and Harry that walks in the door, I just do not get. Every time someone is visiting from another office, we have to get up and go hug them, even if we have never seen them before in our lives. If you don't, you lack team spirit and your TL will surely give you a talking to. Every time someone gets a deal, they have to hug like 20 people. Because of this hugging, I started dreading ringing the bell, within about a month. The need to socialize and hang out with your office colleagues is again, way too much. I am sorry but I have a life outside of work too. And besides, you have been shut in one room, together for 9 hours a day. After that, you want to see some other people for a change.

Phew !! It feels good to get it off of my chest. They have really been driving me up the wall lately. I have actually become quite adept at figuring out which of the new recruits will stay at the end of 2 months and which ones won't. It's pretty easy. Sales people (Meltwater Hardcores) can be real bastards and bitches at times and the ones that are not, the ones that I genuinely like, end up leaving or being fired, at the end of two months (without fail).

Isn't that saying Something ?"

An eye opening experience‏

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Thank you to another contributor from the UK for providing this story.

"Hi,

I worked for Meltwater a few months ago, it was my first job out of Uni and thought I would give a corporate culture a bash!

I must say the whole experience was bizarre, first they use really standard propaganda techniques like creating an "Us and Them" mentality among the employees, which plays on aspects of human nature.
Truth be told the whole thing is treated like some kind of religion... I kid you not, in my training people actually spoke about life before they "found Meltwater" and how difficult it was... even then I thought it was bizarre!

The company culture revolves around working and drinking and it is really really unhealthy. I was one of the few who always had a life outside the office and was actually judged for it although managers would never admit that.

What was however the last straw was that unacceptable behaviour was just glossed over. One of the top managers in the office [name deleted] is a perfectly nice guy but the man clearly has an alcohol problem and I mean clearly!! And it is a horrific experience for any new employee to go for a drink with one of the managers and land up having to half carry the wreck of a man home and put him to bed... or if you happen to be a woman you have to fight him off first!!
All this was fairly obvious and had been experienced by almost everyone in the office but was never properly dealt with by management. I left after a really horrific situation of sexual harassment was completely glossed over and the girls were never even apologised to, even though the company put them in that situation in the first place. Further they were expected to sit next two him in the same office for the next two weeks and make sales calls while his booming voice and laugh flooded the office! The poor girls actually felt sick just looking at him!
At the very least you would expect management to stop him from drinking but no, the MD would encourage it as this sad and pathetic alcoholic behaviour amused him no end.
That is not a company that cares for its employees... I don't care what they tell you....
Most companies would have dealt with such a situation swiftly and efficiently and a company that really cares would have made and effort to rehabilitate this guy.
They try to buy you over as much as possible in the beginning but it is just a facade covering something really sad and pathetic.

The day I quit I woke up and thought to myself. I would rather be a waitress than work for this company!

So happy to find this blog..keep it going.....!!"

Deleting of comments

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It is not and has never been the policy of this blog to moderate comments, but apparently the last post prompted several individual posters to write comments about specific Meltwater employees. Everyone (even Meltwater managers) has a right to their privacy and/or not reading about their personal lives on the internet, so all comments with private details about individuals had to be taken down.

The purpose of this blog is to offer a forum to ex-employees of Meltwater and applicants to share stories; comments from others familiar with Meltwater are always welcome. Ultimately, the purpose is to warn applicants to Meltwater about the (crappy) working conditions of the company. Personal stories about employees can't be confirmed and are not productive, so they will have to be deleted in the future, as well.

Comments (by everyone, even the ultra-defensive Meltwater goons) with views on any other aspects of the company are still by all means encouraged. Also, if you have a story or topic that you would like to see posted, then feel free to send it to antimeltwater@live.com.

On a side note, happy closing week!

Yahoo answers post on working at Meltwater News

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There is another question and answer on yahoo answers on "how females feel about working for Meltwater News":

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080910144330AAjQtYE

This is in light of past descriptions by female ex-employees on harassment and inappropriate touching at Meltwater. While the respondent never heard of cases of harassment while working in a US office, he or she does describe the monotony of the job, the company's high turnover rate, and Meltwater's "habit of telling people that you were asked to leave, even if you quit, resignation letter in hand."

The question is now a year old, but check out the link.

"Everything you need to know about Meltwater and more"

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"Let me begin by saying: Meltwater News – I’ve been to lemonade stands that run a better business. Here is everything you need to know about Meltwater and more. If you are looking to work for this company (or just signed with them) please read everything. If you are a prospect looking to purchase the product, please scroll down to The Business Model section.

My time at Meltwater News started right out of college (clearly, this is how they get everyone. You have sent out application after application and this company approaches you with, “the best job ever”).

The Interview: Held at a local Marriot, the interview was broken over the course of two days. The first day, it’s a group interview. You along with five-ten other interviewers are sitting opposite side of the current Meltwater employees. You sit through a description about the company; how well it’s done, the organic growth structure, the potential, the possibilities for horizontal as well as vertical movement. Then one of the top sales personnel will tell their story of how they became successful so quickly and their favorite client they’ve signed so far (or should I say tricked into sending back a contract).

On the second day, if you make it to the second day, they bring you back for a one vs. five interview. This is where all the people of Meltwater look you in the eyes and try to determine how you will make them money. Bottom line, it’s a pyramid structure where the MD (managing director) makes money off of the SM (Sales managers) who in turn makes money off of you (the sales consultant – aka telemarketer)

Anyways, I guess they thought I could make them some cash, so they hired me.

The Training Period: The first three months you are at Meltwater you are under a microscope. You start out training with the SM’s and MD’s doing “workshops”. These workshops consist of sales training 101. You learn about the product, how to sell and how to sell. Different offices have different methods in training the “newbies” – some offices would call pretending they are calling clients, some sit in a room and go over power points all day, some would go over “cases”. Anyways, I went to school where you read over Harvard case studies about businesses that excelled and analyzed their strategies for success. The typical Meltwater case study was not like those at all. The Meltwater case study was about what to say and how to say it. Let's see what I can remember, being gone from Meltwater 6 months now: “Hi, this is Sarah from Meltwater News – how are you today?...That’s great! I actually wanted to reach out to you because I’ve been reading about (Insert Company name here) and found some great articles on you. Do you have a minute I would love to show you?” Now this could go two ways, they could say yes, and you, as the sales consultant, would “get a login for the day”. Or, they would say no and you’d respond with, “ok – well I suppose I can send them to your email, what’s the best email address to reach you at”. Then, once they give you an email address, you would put them on “Trial” otherwise known as, sending them articles, whether you know if they are relevant or not.

This training period ramps up. So as a sales person you have a $5k quota to reach the first month, $10k the second month and then you are on full quota your third month, $20k. SM’s have to hit $15k a month and the MD needs to hit $10k a month to help their offices. But, unless you hit your quota, you do not get commission. One month I sold $19k and was $1k short of my $20k quota and didn’t get ANY commission from it. (This is something they failed to tell me during both The Interview and The Training Period).

The Day to Day: You are in the office by 8am, with the phone off the ringer by 8:01. Do not think about eating breakfast at your desk, do not check your gmail, do not pass go. In my office, we had a schedule to go by. 8-11 sales block, 11-12 “sparring” (sparring is what they called going over cases – if you did not have any cases from the 8-11 sales block, keep calling people until you do), 12-1 strict one hour lunch break, do not be late for the 1-3 sales block. 3-4 more sparring, 4-6 sales block. (Have you seen a trend yet? This is an all sales job. Where the consultant part comes in, I have yet to figure out). If you do go in for an interview, ask them how much sales there are compared to actually working with the clients. When they actually become clients, they don’t get as much attention. I vividly remember a client wanted me to change their account to follow a list of competitors and my managing director told me I needed to make more calls for the morning and to make the changes during lunch or after work.

The Day to Night: Think the work day is over when you leave? Think again. You’re not motivated if you do not work on the weekends. Each week you are supposed to come in with a fresh new list of prospects to fill your “Pipe” – the pipe is where all the customers that you registered are stored. The start as prospects then you can move them further down the pipe if you get them to log in, put them on trial or give them a contract to sign. The trick is, once you move them from your prospects list to the “login” stage, you then need to register more prospects to keep your numbers up. On average, you need to have 100 new prospects a week in order to hit your weekly goals of 15 logins and 15 trials. But then, if you have 15 new logins and 15 new trials you lose 30 total from your prospect list. Where do you get those 30 new prospects from? After work and Sunday nights; this is the time you spending endless hours finding new prospects. I remember going through lists and lists of companies trying to find one that Meltwater employees hadn’t registered yet. 9 times out of 10 our colleagues have already registered the company and therefore you can not go after it. This is also subject to human error as I was witness to wars started over Meltwater employees “duping” or duplicating an already registered client. This also gets tricky when you deal with companies like SC Johnson that own 5 million subsidiaries. Does the person with SC Johnson get the right of way, or does the person that registered all the subsidiaries like pledge, windex, glade, etc.? There were no clearly written rules on this subject. My sales manager lost $15k over this when her client's company got their subsidiary, which was registered under someone else, to sign for 50% less than they were going to. In addition to this, don’t listen to them when they say “oh, you can go after whatever companies you want” – um, that’s wishful thinking. They should really say “you can go after any company that isn’t registered yet and will talk to you.”

The Management Trainee Growth Structure: My manager was one year older than I was. I was 22. Pulling from an above mentioned statement, the company was said to be “organically grown”. This means that they do not hire from outside the company, they promote within. Sounds like a good gig right? Work long enough and get promoted? Well, this statement or “organically grown” was half true. On one side, you told yourself “well, my manager has only worked here one year and she got promoted.” However, the company was very political. The people that sold the most and new people (if you were Swedish) got to the top first. The other way to reach the top level was being brought in from the outside. At the summer party, they announce the new management who was a new finance director and other VP’s from outside the company. So, they weren’t growing organically. Good one Meltwater, you got me there.

The Managers: As mentioned above, the managers were very young. And although you were a “good seller” it didn’t always translate into being a “good manager”. There are plenty of cases at Meltwater where the top sellers get promoted to manager and their “newbie” can not sell. Why you ask? This is because they don’t know how to manage people. The most common attributes from both my sales manager and my managing director were demanding, frustration and impatience. My managing director managed people through threats. If you don’t meet this, then this is going to happen. When having a one on one with him, it was evident that I had more management skills than he did (and yes, I had a lack of experience, at Meltwater, but I went to school for business management. Something he knew nothing about.) In fact, I should have had my human resource professor give him a talking to, I’m sure he could learn a thing or two, or seven. Over the course of his management our office plummeted. Out of the four employees I was hired with, only one person is still working for Meltwater (poor guy, I feel bad. They pulled the wool over his eyes. All I want to say to him is, “Sorry, but you’re not going anywhere and you’ll be a sales manager the rest of your MW career – I’ll bet money on it”). The office lost two people to other offices and when speaking to both of them before they left (and before I left too) they spoke honestly about the new manager and how everyone in that would suffer from his lack of people skills.

The Business Model: As I described before, you get prospects, log/trial them, give them a proposal and hope they sign before the end of the month. With each new month, comes a new beginning at Meltwater. (Unless you don’t sell for three months in a row – then, then they fire you). Again, I want to mention that it’s a pyramid structure. You get commission for your boss and their boss when you make a sale.

Anyways, with Meltwater News you sell a subscription. You buy a year, two year, and three year contract for as many modules as needed. With each module, the price goes up $5,000. I believe this is the most arbitrary number that sounded good at the time; it has probably increased since I’ve been there. Regardless, NEVER PAY THIS PRICE. If you think car salesmen are bad at haggling, you haven’t met a Meltwater “consultant”. One of the people I was hired with was asked on the phone, “how does this measure ROI?” – He put them on hold, leaned over and asked me, “What is ROI?”

For the “basic package” which included news articles with ability to customize your “morning report” (a report sent to your, as well as four other colleagues’ email every morning with the news you want) ran you $5,000. In addition to that, you can get a “newsfeed”, “analytics” or “newsletter” for an additional $5,000 each. The top package being all four modules for $20,000. The Meltwater consultant will work with you to find what you need at the time, molding the price to the price you need as well. If you think the price is too high, it is. And if you think you can only afford $1,000 then say “If I can get you a signed contract today, can I have the basic package and newsfeed for $1,000?” I guarantee the Meltwater consultant on the phone will put you on hold to “Ask his manager”. All they care about is the sign contract before their month is up. Another good question to ask is “how much money do you need to hit your quota?”. If it's $4,000 then I guarantee if you go: “OK – give me all four modules, for two years at $4,000 (which should be $40,000) and I’ll get you a sign contract today”, they would.

The overall product is not worth the money they say it is. Bottom Line: One huge thing that they didn’t mention during our training period was the competition. Who else was out there? Here are some names for you to check out: Burrelles Luce, Vocus, Google News. Here are some facts that the Meltwater Consultant will tell you and the truth:

Burrelles Luce: They are mainly a “clipping” agency. They actually use scissors to take clips and print them, then mail them to you via snail mail. Truth is: Yes, Burrelles does do this, but a lot of fashion magazines, etc. need the actual clip. Secondly, their Imonitor is catching up to Meltwater.

Vocus:They are so expensive and only focus on PR people. Truth is: they have great media lists. They have positioned themselves to be a one-stop shop. Meltwater has looked into them because they are great at what they do. Yes, their prices are expensive but they are worth it.

Google News: They don’t have the source base that Meltwater does. Truth is: At least their source base is from credible sources. Meltwater follows anything and doesn’t have the capability to scan articles that are multiple pages like Google can (i.e. if you are mentioned on newyorktimes.com and the article is broken over two pages, it won’t be able to pick up your “keyword” unless you are on that first page).

The problem with Meltwater is that is pawns itself off to be the best media monitoring system. However, it only follows Online Media Monitoring and it does this very poorly. They have a long way to go before they get the product to a place it should be. Wake up Meltwater. You’re not the best. And your personal consulting will end once I sign on the dotted line. Also – there is an automatic renewal clause in the contract; have them remove this before purchasing if you are a prospect.

The Company: The Company is failing to see its own demise as they are breaking up and expanding horizontally. When I left, MTalent was just starting out. Staying in touch with a representative who got transferred over to that section of Meltwater “petal” said it was the biggest mistake of her life. The human resource software sounded great but a huge mishap on their part was sizing up the competitors. She now spends her days calling and calling and calling with little traction on the sales front. Because she was such a good seller in MNews, they moved her there. (My guess, they didn’t want to keep paying her the commission).

The End Result: I got another job before they could fire me. I did well there, sold a lot and was on their good side. But that being said, there were a lot of politics at Meltwater News. People dating, getting fired/asked to leave/didn’t fit, people getting the approval on certain packages and not others, arriving a minute late/leaving a minute early, doing prospecting during company hours.

My advice to anyone looking at this company is to not waste your time. If you are already there, find a way out. Chances are you are in the Management Trainee role and many of the companies have already been registered. Then, when you sign them as clients their account will transfer into client relations for them to resign. So you never get commission on the clients you worked so hard for when it comes down to resigning the subscription. And, after reading another post on yahoo, if you are interviewing elsewhere and they are asking why you left/got asked to leave say this: “Meltwater promised a lot of things and failed to deliver. They claim to hire the best of the best, which I am and still believe to be true however they only promote the people that can sell. I looked at my sales manager and after being there for three years, she had a lot more selling to do before she ever got promoted again. My sales manager didn’t have any new challenges within her day to day routine; she had the exact same one from the day that I started to the day that I left. In fact, I guarantee she is still doing the same thing now. What time is it? 3 – She is wrapping up her afternoon sales block. To me, that’s not challenging, it’s mediocre at best. I know now that everyone’s got to start somewhere. I learned a lot from this position, including what not to do, which I find equally important in learning and personal growth. Overall, I think Meltwater News was a great company for a naïve college graduate but if I had to do it all over again, I wouldn’t. I would have been more patient.”

OK – well I hope everyone learned a little something from this post. It’s amazing, but I could definitely go on. I didn’t even mention the Kick-off party, not taking any time off (or not being allowed to take a day off) and all the things I appreciate working for a normal company now that I’m not with Meltwater News.

Happy Prospecting!"

Recent developments at Meltwater

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Does anyone "on the inside" have any news about what is going on with the postponed kick-off for 2010?

Or about the Meltwater Los Angeles office?